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		<title>Letters, the round parts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John McWade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw NO PARKING on the middle school pavement the other day, and it reminded me of a small but interesting typographic detail. It&#8217;s that round letters always extend slightly above and below their cap and base lines. Normally, you &#8230; <a href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw <strong>NO PARKING</strong> on the middle school pavement the other day, and it reminded me of a small but interesting typographic detail. It&#8217;s that round letters always extend slightly above and below their cap and base lines. Normally, you never notice this. I saw it here because it&#8217;s exaggerated; the sign crew put 100% of the extension above the cap line . . .</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-3264" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/noparking1-4/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3264" title="NoParking1" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/NoParking13.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="300" /></a></span></p>
<p>. . . and none of it below . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3265" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/noparking2-2/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3265" title="NoParking2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/NoParking21.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="300" /></a>Except for some novelty typestyles, all type is drawn this way; the round letters are slightly bigger. Here it is in Helvetica Neue Bold . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3279" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/mono1-2/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3279" title="Mono1" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Mono11.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="140" /></a>The reason is to overcome an optical illusion. Since round letters touch the line only at one point, if they aligned exactly they would look too small . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3283" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/mono2-2/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3283" title="Mono2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Mono21.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="140" /></a>. . . which may be easier to see if I remove the blue lines . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3284" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/mono3/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3284" title="Mono3" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Mono3.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="140" /></a></p>
<p>It applies to lowercase letters, too. The round ones extend slightly above the x-height line . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3299" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/lowercase-2/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3299" title="Lowercase" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lowercase1.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="107" /></a></p>
<p>. . . which is easier to see up close . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3294" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/suite-3/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3294" title="suite" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/suite2.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="190" /></a></p>
<p>Note that the flat parts stay on the lines.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a small detail but universal. Here it is in Century Schoolbook . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3310" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/suite2-3/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3310" title="suite2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/suite23.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>. . . and Adobe Garamond, which has no straight lines at all. Note that the pointy serifs also extend beyond the lines. Same optical reason . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3331" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/suite3/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3331" title="suite3" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/suite3.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="240" /></a><br />
The effect is even clearer in print, with its higher resolution, than it is onscreen.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject of type, MyFonts last week released an entertaining variant of Helvetica called <a href="http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/hiekkagraphics/sketchetica/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Sketchetica</a>, by Ossi Gustafsson of <a href="http://www.hiekkagraphics.fi/" target="_blank">Hiekka Graphics</a> in Finland . . .</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3343" href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2010/03/letters-the-round-parts/sketchetica-2/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3343" title="Sketchetica" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sketchetica1.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="215" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span><br />
Sketchetica is basically Helvetica sketched with a pen or sharp pencil. Back in the day, this is how designers would mock up pages for the typesetter and the layout people. It will be useful for any project that needs that rough-stage look without appearing hand-drawn. Ossi&#8217;s giving away the light version for free, which has Sketchetica near the top of MyFonts&#8217; popularity list. <a href="http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/hiekkagraphics/sketchetica/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine">Check it out.</a></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">.whi.</span></p>
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		<title>A light Christmas typeface</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John McWade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We went looking this year for a Victorian Christmas typeface and found a festive gem in Aeronaut by designer Georg Herold-Wildfellner. Aeronaut is based on a writing style known as textualis, the most calligraphic form of blackletter. Its unusual adornments &#8230; <a href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2009/11/a-light-christmas-typeface/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We went looking this year for a Victorian Christmas typeface and found a festive gem in <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/facetype/aeronaut/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Aeronaut</a> by designer Georg Herold-Wildfellner. Aeronaut is based on a writing style known as <em>textualis</em>, the most calligraphic form of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter" target="_blank">blackletter</a>. Its unusual adornments — pigtails, squiggles, &#8220;balloons&#8221; and &#8220;parachutes&#8221; — give it a light, candy-factory look, beautifully 19th-century, without the Gothic heaviness of classic blackletter type.</p>
<p>What we especially like is that Aeronaut comes in two parts — the letters are one part and the squiggles are the other — which means that it can be set (easily) in two colors:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2462" title="Aeronaut1" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut12.jpg" alt="Aeronaut1" width="454" height="125" /></p>
<p>It works like this. Standard Aeronaut has its adornments built in:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2463" title="Aeronaut2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut24.jpg" alt="Aeronaut2" width="454" height="125" /></p>
<p>So what you do is first set your type in unadorned <em>Aeronaut Base:</em></p>
<p><em><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2464" title="Aeronaut3" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut32.jpg" alt="Aeronaut3" width="454" height="125" /><br />
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<p>Color it, then <em>Copy</em> and <em>Paste</em> the copy directly atop your original:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2467" title="Aeronaut4" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut42.jpg" alt="Aeronaut4" width="454" height="125" /></p>
<p>While it&#8217;s in position, select and change its style to <em>Aeronaut Parachute,</em> which is one of its two squiggle fonts, the other being <em>Aeronaut Balloon. </em>I&#8217;ve left a ghost of the letters so you can see what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2460" title="Aeronaut4" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut4.jpg" alt="Aeronaut4" width="454" height="91" /></p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that the squiggles correspond letter for letter to the typeface, so everything shows up in position. If you kern Aeronaut Base for better letterfit, you&#8217;ll need to kern Aeronaut Parachute by the same amounts.</p>
<p>To finish, simply color Aeronaut Parachute a deep, Christmas green . . .</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2468" title="Aeronaut1" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut13.jpg" alt="Aeronaut1" width="454" height="125" /></p>
<p>. . . and it&#8217;s ready for duty at the North Pole. Green and red, of course, are not your only options. Below is a monochromatic rendition; note that its adornments, which look appropriately like twinkling stars, are lighter than the letters:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2475" title="Aeronaut6" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut62.jpg" alt="Aeronaut6" width="454" height="159" /></p>
<p>And once Christmas is over, you have a great, period typeface that&#8217;s fun to work with all year:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2477" title="Aeronaut7" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Aeronaut7.jpg" alt="Aeronaut7" width="454" height="159" /></p>
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		<title>Unreadable type and other troubles</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John McWade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reader Jane Finch-Howell writes: "I usually think Before &#038; After designers walk on water. But with your latest Extra [01-06-09], I have to say you took a bit of a splash."  <a href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2009/01/unreadable-type-and-other-troubles/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader Jane Finch-Howell writes: &#8220;I usually think Before &amp; After designers walk on water. But with your latest Extra [01-06-09], I have to say you took a bit of a splash.&#8221; She continues, &#8220;The idea of adding a photo for interest behind a boring list is a good one, but your example was poorly chosen. Not only is the photo so brightly colored that it dominates the page, but the font is narrow and reversed out in white. Those three things make that page almost unreadable as designed. How about fading the photo back, or changing the font to something bolder and bigger?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jane isn&#8217;t the only reader who took exception to our Extra. Said Peter Anderegg, &#8220;In your example you&#8217;ve dropped a photo behind the already set text with no regard to where on the photo the text lies. As a result, some of the text is difficult to read, as it is white text on a light background. I would suggest that this layout could have benefited from some &#8216;real designing,&#8217; perhaps creating a semi-transparent box so that the text is highlighted, or resetting the white text so that it falls in the darker parts of the image.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chris Purcell added, &#8220;The idea is attractively simple, but you should have reminded your readers to place type on areas in the photo with enough contrast to make the type legible. The photo you showed had a large, dark area that the dropped-out type read clearly against. Too many designers use very busy background photos that make it difficult to read overprinted or dropped-out copy.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those of you who didn&#8217;t download the Extra, the page at issue is shown below. It is the index of a PDF-format helicopter hobby magazine behind which we added a full-page photo:</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ee; text-decoration: underline;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1224" title="HelistaMagnifier.jpg" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/helistamagnifier6.jpg" alt="" width="554" height="600" /></span></p>
<p>The specific contrast problem is in the area spotlighted above.</p>
<p>What we like about our page and your comments are the number of visual cross-currents going on.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start at the top.</p>
<p>Setting type on a photo has risks. The ideal photo would be smooth and even, and the type would be just the right style and size, just the right boldness and in just the right places for maximum contrast and clarity.</p>
<p>Reality is almost always different. We chose this page because it&#8217;s from a real magazine, not one crafted to make a design point. The photo and copy are from the editors, and the typeface and page layout conform to a house style and cannot change, which is typical of most periodicals.</p>
<p>Bolding the typeface or arranging it differently are therefore out of the question. Similarly, choosing a better image is not possible; we can use only what the photographer turns in.</p>
<p>Sound familiar? That&#8217;s what makes this a useful example.</p>
<p>Our &#8220;no-designing-required&#8221; solution has limitations. The photo must be in the ballpark—fairly smooth, fairly even, and at least somewhat interesting. Lacking that, the technique should not be used.</p>
<p>The &#8220;narrow, reversed-out&#8221; type (Font Bureau&#8217;s <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/benton-sans/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Benton Sans Condensed Book</a>) that&#8217;s hard to read is, in the real magazine, quite clear, a point that&#8217;s lost at our reduced size and in low, onscreen resolution (above). We were hoping you&#8217;d give us the benefit of the doubt here. Generally speaking, a simple, sans-serif typeface like ours reverses more successfully than serif type, whose micro-details are easy to lose. High-quality PDF will always be clear; high-resolution press printing will be clear except in extreme cases, which consist of unusually small type and/or backgrounds loaded with color. Laser and inkjet printing can be murky. Adjust to suit.</p>
<p>Bolding a typeface to compensate for a background or other element is rarely a good idea, because it changes the voice of the type. We don&#8217;t recommend it. If your normal typeface won&#8217;t work, you&#8217;ll need a different photo.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not fans of &#8220;fading a photo back,&#8221; either. Ghosting an image washes it out, which pretty much defeats the beauty or visual interest it would bring to the design. There are exceptions, but ghosting is not something we&#8217;d do just to make the photo usable. Use photos full strength. If they&#8217;re unsuitable for backgrounds, try working them into a more conventional layout. Failing that, edit them out.</p>
<p>Cousin of the ghost is the &#8220;semi-transparent box,&#8221; typically low-opacity white or black that lightens or darkens the background behind a portion of the type. There are many good uses for it but not here; like a typeface change, a box changes the voice of a page so should not be added only to compensate for a weak background.</p>
<p>As Chris pointed out, there are indeed designers who use too-busy background photos. We assume, however, that you are not one of them. You can tell if a photo&#8217;s suitable. For those almost-right shots, we suggest not sweating the small stuff. Few photos are perfect; most will have some too-light or too-dark spots. If they&#8217;re otherwise good, use them anyway; sometimes you can lighten or darken a small area without anyone noticing.</p>
<p>To close, reader Suzanne James writes to say that she &#8220;took one look at our article and was inspired to design a piece that got raves&#8221; at her meeting last night.</p>
<p>Thank you all. We love having your eagle eyes keeping us in line.</p>
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		<title>What typeface would you recommend?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John McWade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Before &#038; After reader asks for a typeface recommendation for the business in "How to use that typeface." <a href="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2008/12/what-typeface-would-you-recommend/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>I really enjoyed the current article, &#8220;How to use that typeface.&#8221; In fact, I find every article informative and useful. I was wondering, though, what typeface you might recommend for the business in the article &#8212; Alamo Flags &#8212; and why you would choose that typeface. Thanks. &#8212; Laura Jones</p>
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<p>Hi Laura,</p>
<p>To recommend a typeface, I&#8217;d have to know more about the business.</p>
<p>A couple phone calls told me that Alamo Flags sells flags of the world, buttons, pins, patches and so on. So it&#8217;s a gift-quality flag store. Its employees who spoke to me did not know the origin of the name or if it was connected to the real Alamo. For a real project, you&#8217;d want to know those things.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s imagine that Alamo Flags wants its sign to convey a fairly authentic image.</p>
<p>First step would be what we call &#8220;World of&#8221; research. Ask, what is the Alamo? Where is it? What does it look like? What is its story? What associations does it have? Are there lines, shapes, colors, textures that we might use? And so on.</p>
<p>For a real project, the client would give you most of these answers. For our example, we&#8217;ll use Google.</p>
<p>We find that the Alamo is an old Spanish Mission in San Antonio, Texas. Early in 1836, it was site of the most famous fight in Texas&#8217;s war for independence from Mexico. The Alamo was overpowered by the forces of Mexican President Santa Anna, and all its defenders were killed. Among the dead were now-legendary Americans Jim Bowie and Davy Crockett. After the defeat, the Texas colonists regrouped, and the term &#8220;Remember the Alamo!&#8221; became a rallying cry for the remainder of the war.</p>
<p>The Alamo has its own flag (although its authenticity is uncertain) with its own colors.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-948" title="alamonight1" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamonight1.jpg" alt="" width="288" height="190" /><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-968" title="alamostamp2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamostamp2.jpg" alt="" width="203" height="180" /><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-977" title="alamoflag2" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamoflag2.jpg" alt="" width="199" height="129" /><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-978" title="alamoclosetrace" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamoclosetrace.jpg" alt="" width="190" height="260" /></p>
<p>As you can see, even brief research turns up a story, shapes, colors, textures and various visual associations. Actually do the research; don&#8217;t just guess.</p>
<p>For a typeface to be authentic, it would have to have been in use in 1836. Usually, you can make do without being so literal. But having an authentic typeface gives you the confidence of <em>knowing</em>—you&#8217;re not guessing, or worse—making something up. You may decide to change it, but you&#8217;re starting on solid footing.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-970" title="alamosignoriginal" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamosignoriginal.jpg" alt="" width="432" height="138" /></p>
<p>The original designer was just making something up.</p>
<p>What typefaces were in use in 1836? One of the best was the excellent serif <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/caslon/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Caslon.</a> Sixty years before—on July 4, 1776—Benjamin Franklin chose Caslon for the first printing of the United States Declaration of Independence. Today, Caslon is available in many styles including several that are aged or distressed and look quite old. Caslon is an excellent text face.</p>
<p>In vogue were &#8220;fat&#8221; typefaces, some of which had extreme stroke-to-serif differences, like Adobe&#8217;s <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/madrone/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Madrone</a> and <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/engravers-bold-face/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Engraver&#8217;s LH</a> and Linotype&#8217;s <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/inflex/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Inflex MT</a>. Other fat faces were more slab-sided, like Adobe&#8217;s <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/blackoak/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Blackoak</a>.</p>
<p>Also popular were <a href="http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/clarendon/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Clarendon</a>-style typefaces, which have slab serifs but most of which are more moderately proportioned. And the calligraphic styles of writing master and engraver George <a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/bickham-script-mm/?refby=beforeandaftermagazine" target="_blank">Bickham</a> set the standard for script typefaces.</p>
<p>Although without more research we don&#8217;t know what typefaces were present at the Alamo, any of these are entirely plausible and would be suitable on the sign.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s the process. Pick a goal (&#8220;authentic&#8221; is only one possibility out of countless many), write the creative brief, do your research, then design to it.</p>
<p>Below, two possibilities. (Click for larger versions)</p>
<p><a title="Typefaces: Engraver's LH. Flag: Adobe Caslon Expert bold" rel="lightbox" href="/Covermedia/blog/Alamo/AlamoSignEngravers.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-971" title="alamosignengraversmed" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamosignengraversmed.jpg" alt="" width="452" height="65" /></a></p>
<p>Engraver&#8217;s LH</p>
<p><a title="Typefaces: ATOrlando and Bickham Script. Flag: Adobe Caslon Expert bold" rel="lightbox" href="/Covermedia/blog/Alamo/AlamoSignOrlando.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-974" title="alamosignorlandomed" src="http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alamosignorlandomed.jpg" alt="" width="452" height="74" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/agfa/atorlando/" target="_blank">ATOrlando</a> and Bickham Script</p>
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