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		<title>Comment on Designing (or not) a non-profit brochure by Must Non-Profits Look Like a Charity Case? &#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2011/06/designing-or-not-a-non-profit-brochure/comment-page-1/#comment-7958</link>
		<dc:creator>Must Non-Profits Look Like a Charity Case? &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not the only one asking these questions. Check out this DesignTalk discussion, where more than 85 people voiced a similar [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The best colors for a logo? by Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2011/10/the-best-colors-for-a-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-7944</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t suggesting that it would be offensive -- just confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that it would be offensive &#8212; just confusing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nobody tells this to beginners by Jack Sturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Sturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being in a cultural wasteland and starting career #3 has just been made easier with your observation about beginners. I was a professional musician in my first life and completely understand about the timeframe of frustration before &quot;getting it.&quot; I had forgotten that lesson. Thank you for reminding me that patience pays creative dividends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in a cultural wasteland and starting career #3 has just been made easier with your observation about beginners. I was a professional musician in my first life and completely understand about the timeframe of frustration before &#8220;getting it.&#8221; I had forgotten that lesson. Thank you for reminding me that patience pays creative dividends.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are you too old to get hired? by Don Draper was a poser and so can you. The myth of graphic design &#124; DogWalkBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Draper was a poser and so can you. The myth of graphic design &#124; DogWalkBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inevitably, someone brings up Mad Men as an example of the glory days of advertising. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The most important rule of logo design by Naomi Young</title>
		<link>http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2011/12/the-most-important-rule-of-logo-design/comment-page-1/#comment-7910</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I appreciate most about the advice given to Joe in this column is the humility of the Before &amp; After designer. In all my interactions with graphic designers, I&#039;ve never come across someone so willing to forgo aesthetics or even designing a logo altogether! You do not appear concerned to see your name put against a less-than-ideal design if it means that the client is satisfied or the ultimate aim of a brief met. I am encouraged to reduce my own ego! :) Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I appreciate most about the advice given to Joe in this column is the humility of the Before &#038; After designer. In all my interactions with graphic designers, I&#8217;ve never come across someone so willing to forgo aesthetics or even designing a logo altogether! You do not appear concerned to see your name put against a less-than-ideal design if it means that the client is satisfied or the ultimate aim of a brief met. I am encouraged to reduce my own ego! :) Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are you too old to get hired? by Gerard McLean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m way on the other end of this age thing. I am in the 50+ group and I find myself DRAGGING the kids into new technologies. While it&#039;s true they are more adept users of tech, their skills in manipulating the medium is woefully lacking much of the time. They know the &quot;default&quot; settings and are perfectly content with them -- until they see what a little tweak here or a little tweak there can do. Then, they get hungry for more, which keeps me in demand.

When I was in my early 40s, I got an opportunity to work at the &lt;i&gt;Dayton Daily News&lt;/i&gt; as an artist in Newspapers in Education. This typically was staffed by some 20-something fresh out of art school who didn&#039;t get paid all that much. But I really, really wanted to work at a newspaper at some point in my life and this was my chance. My other option was to go to J-school. They didn&#039;t think I was a fit because of my résumé. I had things on there like VP-Human Resources, Training Director, Regional Manager, etc., but I had also sold exercise bikes to paralyzed people (true!) so these folks could not match me for salesmanship. Long story short, I got that job. It paid crap, but I was working at a newspaper!

I spent about 20% of my time there actually doing the job they hired me for.. (apparently the 20-somethings needed 40+ hours a week to do what I could do in 10) and spent the rest of my time learning journalism and everything about writing and designing for a newspaper. (I could also afford to take a pay cut because I had silent partnerships in several companies...) When 9/11 happened, I was the only one in the entire building who knew how to write AP Style, copyedit, color-correct photos and tag HTML. The PUBLISHER came down to the NIE floor and asked if I could staff the website desk for the day. (I had no idea he even knew who I was!)  I promised the DDN 2 years and gave them 4 1/2. 

It was an incredible experience that I never would have had if I had not remained curious about a whole range of skills and interests. My jumping-off base was an English degree, Linguistics minor and a few post-baccalaureate classes in Education. (I&#039;ll get that Masters eventually when life slows down enough.) I also had some practical skills with design, software, type and video editing I picked up along the way in various positions. 

I think it is easy to get caught up in the age issue, but if you are a really talented designer who is also an accomplished salesman for yourself, once you start talking, most people will forget how old you are. (How many people see John McWade as an old geezer? Exactly!) Stay curious, stay skilled at whatever is happening today but also on the next thing coming up. I&#039;m not sure why, but most people quit learning in their mid to late 20s. Use that knowledge to your advantage.

And quit repairing typewriters. :-) http://gerardmclean.com/repairing-typewriters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m way on the other end of this age thing. I am in the 50+ group and I find myself DRAGGING the kids into new technologies. While it&#8217;s true they are more adept users of tech, their skills in manipulating the medium is woefully lacking much of the time. They know the &#8220;default&#8221; settings and are perfectly content with them &#8212; until they see what a little tweak here or a little tweak there can do. Then, they get hungry for more, which keeps me in demand.</p>
<p>When I was in my early 40s, I got an opportunity to work at the <i>Dayton Daily News</i> as an artist in Newspapers in Education. This typically was staffed by some 20-something fresh out of art school who didn&#8217;t get paid all that much. But I really, really wanted to work at a newspaper at some point in my life and this was my chance. My other option was to go to J-school. They didn&#8217;t think I was a fit because of my résumé. I had things on there like VP-Human Resources, Training Director, Regional Manager, etc., but I had also sold exercise bikes to paralyzed people (true!) so these folks could not match me for salesmanship. Long story short, I got that job. It paid crap, but I was working at a newspaper!</p>
<p>I spent about 20% of my time there actually doing the job they hired me for.. (apparently the 20-somethings needed 40+ hours a week to do what I could do in 10) and spent the rest of my time learning journalism and everything about writing and designing for a newspaper. (I could also afford to take a pay cut because I had silent partnerships in several companies&#8230;) When 9/11 happened, I was the only one in the entire building who knew how to write AP Style, copyedit, color-correct photos and tag HTML. The PUBLISHER came down to the NIE floor and asked if I could staff the website desk for the day. (I had no idea he even knew who I was!)  I promised the DDN 2 years and gave them 4 1/2. </p>
<p>It was an incredible experience that I never would have had if I had not remained curious about a whole range of skills and interests. My jumping-off base was an English degree, Linguistics minor and a few post-baccalaureate classes in Education. (I&#8217;ll get that Masters eventually when life slows down enough.) I also had some practical skills with design, software, type and video editing I picked up along the way in various positions. </p>
<p>I think it is easy to get caught up in the age issue, but if you are a really talented designer who is also an accomplished salesman for yourself, once you start talking, most people will forget how old you are. (How many people see John McWade as an old geezer? Exactly!) Stay curious, stay skilled at whatever is happening today but also on the next thing coming up. I&#8217;m not sure why, but most people quit learning in their mid to late 20s. Use that knowledge to your advantage.</p>
<p>And quit repairing typewriters. :-) <a href="http://gerardmclean.com/repairing-typewriters.html" >http://gerardmclean.com/repairing-typewriters.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Should I design my résumé? by Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.mcwade.com/DesignTalk/2011/09/should-i-design-my-resume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7902</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming late to this conversation, but if anyone&#039;s still checking in -- 

Sometimes you have to get past the machines -- and machine-reading advocates -- before you can get to the people you&#039;ll actually be working with. How about seeing a resume as a chance to show your skill and originality while adhering to strictest simplicity -- like, purely through typography? It&#039;s a nice challenge, and you won&#039;t scare off the non-designers but will still appeal to the designers. You can save your (highly readable and function-appropriate, of course) super-designed resume for people you know will appreciate it. 

Some people insist on Word resumes, others on PDFs (though I think most machine-readers can handle PDFs now). For Word, I&#039;d have one that was strictly linear, no columns or boxes or paragraph spacing or bold/itals, to ensure that it will at least look neat when read on another computer or filtered through a text editor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming late to this conversation, but if anyone&#8217;s still checking in &#8212; </p>
<p>Sometimes you have to get past the machines &#8212; and machine-reading advocates &#8212; before you can get to the people you&#8217;ll actually be working with. How about seeing a resume as a chance to show your skill and originality while adhering to strictest simplicity &#8212; like, purely through typography? It&#8217;s a nice challenge, and you won&#8217;t scare off the non-designers but will still appeal to the designers. You can save your (highly readable and function-appropriate, of course) super-designed resume for people you know will appreciate it. </p>
<p>Some people insist on Word resumes, others on PDFs (though I think most machine-readers can handle PDFs now). For Word, I&#8217;d have one that was strictly linear, no columns or boxes or paragraph spacing or bold/itals, to ensure that it will at least look neat when read on another computer or filtered through a text editor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are you too old to get hired? by Kim France</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John ---

Thanks for the inspiration! This kind of wisdom/inspiration only comes with age and experience:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;What do you know about yourself at 50 (or 60) that you didn’t know at 30? How does it apply to design, and specifically to job A, B, or C?

What’s your vision? In every life God has planted the seed of something important. By 60, many of the wishes, hopes and dreams of youth have fallen away. Yet this thing persists. You may already be living it. Or not yet. What is it?

Do you have a “bucket” list? What’s on it?

Don’t fret over who might hire you, which is to cede ownership of your life to others. Think instead about what you know and have and want, and work to that. What do you do that no one else can do? Where can you make a difference that no one else can make?

My guess is that you know.

Go for that.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8212;</p>
<p>Thanks for the inspiration! This kind of wisdom/inspiration only comes with age and experience:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;What do you know about yourself at 50 (or 60) that you didn’t know at 30? How does it apply to design, and specifically to job A, B, or C?</p>
<p>What’s your vision? In every life God has planted the seed of something important. By 60, many of the wishes, hopes and dreams of youth have fallen away. Yet this thing persists. You may already be living it. Or not yet. What is it?</p>
<p>Do you have a “bucket” list? What’s on it?</p>
<p>Don’t fret over who might hire you, which is to cede ownership of your life to others. Think instead about what you know and have and want, and work to that. What do you do that no one else can do? Where can you make a difference that no one else can make?</p>
<p>My guess is that you know.</p>
<p>Go for that.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Are you too old to get hired? by Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you BB!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Are you too old to get hired? by Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been contemplating on how to get more meaning into my career. Wondering about teaching, or finding a place with some heart and soul. Thanks for the inspiration!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been contemplating on how to get more meaning into my career. Wondering about teaching, or finding a place with some heart and soul. Thanks for the inspiration!</p>
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